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May 01, 2007

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Joseph Ratliff

Ryan,

Huh?

Taxes, illegal?

Interesting. I have heard several arguments on this...but none that could hold water.

Until I read this article.

Wow.

Joe

David

Ryan, thanx for posting. Please point your readers to 861.info to learn how Larken Rose was not allowed to tell a jury his side of this argument , and subsequently jailed for a year.

Without those who work for the IRS we wouldn't know what evil was.

Michael Roach

Ok, the article tries to explain it in "layman's terms", but how about in VERY layman's terms?

Will you no longer be paying taxes, Ryan?

What will this mean for Canadian taxes, I wonder? Or should I just pack up and move south?

Hmmm. You have me intrigued with this post!

Ryan Healy

Hey Michael,

Right now, I plan to continue to pay my taxes.

I'm no lawyer, but here's how I understand it: The IRS was challenged and did not respond, therefore they lose.

Something to that effect.

Keep in mind, law doesn't matter when it comes to government. They'll enforce what they choose to enforce.

Speaking from a worldly perspective, the Federal Reserve was created in 1914. It is a private institution. They print money and loan it to the American people with interest.

A good gig, eh? I'll give you paper, and you pay me back in perpetuity... with interest!

The private bankers tried to get it pass for decades and failed. They succeeded once, but it was repealed. Then President Woodrow Wilson signed it into law in 1914. Afterwards, he said, "I have unwittingly ruined my country."

It's my understanding the IRS exists because of the Federal Reserve. Neither are government owned. They simply benefit the private bankers behind it.

I suggest you read "Make IRS check payable to stockholders of private Fed." It's a short read, yet extremely helpful in understanding the issue.

You've heard of Ayn Rand, yes? You've heard of Alan Greenspan, too? Greenspan was devout student of Rand. Read Atlas Shrugged and you'll get a good idea of what the Federal Reserve is all about.

Re: Canada and how all this affects you... I don't know.

I do know there are talks of uniting America, Canada, and Mexico into one nation called the North American Union. Currency would be changed to the "Amero." The Constitution would be history. Literally. (In fact, it mostly is already.)

Anyway, sorry for the rambling. I hope this helps.

Michael Roach

Ryan, I've never read Ayn Rand yet, but I know several friends who do define themselves as Objectivists. I will try to make time to read Atlas Shrugged someday.

I'm guessing it's related to the documentary, The Money Masters, am I right?

Ryan Healy

Actually, I haven't seen The Money Masters. Perhaps I should...

Perry Droast

I been reading about this sort of thing since the 1970s.

I for one will continue to pay my taxes. Illegal or not, the IRS can ruin you and your life is they so choose to do so.

If you want to find out the hard way, stop filing your income taxes.

I think you'll find out who has the real power.

You can easily find out who really owns the real estate held in your name. Stop paying the property taxes and you'll soon find out the name of the real owner.

Ayn Rand has written some really good if long winded books. But if you follow Alan Greenspan's more recent history you'll note he abandoned most of the ideals he wrote about when he was younger. He was a gold bug and appeared to believe in the gold standard. But in practice, once he became the FED chairman, he played loose with money creation and interest rates.

All interesting stuff. Bottom line. I wouldn't quit paying your taxes just yet. Just my opinion.

Ryan Healy

Perry - I agree with you. I will continue to pay my taxes.

You're right about Greenspan. His early writings are polar opposite of his behavior as Fed chairman.

Chad G

I've only finished my first year of law school, but I know enough to debunk this posting. First and foremost, please read the 16th Amendment of the United States Constitution. There is only ONE way that income taxes can become unconstitutional, and that is ONLY if there is an amendment to the Constitution that repeals the 16th Amendment. Second, every document posted on the website above related to the process of Discovery; I saw absolutely no published opinion by any judge. Without a written opinion on this matter (which I still couldn't discern from any of the documents), all you've got is smoke and mirrors. Third and finally, Congress has the power to delegate some of its legislative power so long as it provides "intelligible principles" that guide the administrative agency (Whitman v. American Trucking Assoc. 531 U.S. 457). So there's really no question that, in general, income taxes are quite constitutional. But what I really wonder is this: would you want income taxes to be unconstitutional? The power to tax incomes has provided the federal government with a stable and significant revenue source that has allowed the United States to prosper. The power to tax incomes has allowed for the government to provide an exceedingly complex and expensive infrastructure for a modern economy, build and maintain educational institutions that keep America technologically innovative, maintain global stability through military might, and provide systems of justice. Without such predictable and significant revenue, those things would probably not be possible. And of course, without those things, the American economy, including your paycheck and entrepreneurial opportunities, would vanish. So, here's one guy who's happy income taxes are constitutional!

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I've only finished my first year of law school, but I know enough to debunk this posting. First and foremost, please read the 16th Amendment of the United States Constitution. There is only ONE way that income taxes can become unconstitutional, and that is ONLY if there is an amendment to the Constitution that repeals the 16th Amendment. Second, every document posted on the website above related to the process of Discovery; I saw absolutely no published opinion by any judge. Without a written opinion on this matter (which I still couldn't discern from any of the documents), all you've got is smoke and mirrors. Third and finally, Congress has the power to delegate some of its legislative power so long as it provides "intelligible principles" that guide the administrative agency (Whitman v. American Trucking Assoc. 531 U.S. 457). So there's really no question that, in general, income taxes are quite constitutional. But what I really wonder is this: would you want income taxes to be unconstitutional? The power to tax incomes has provided the federal government with a stable and significant revenue source that has allowed the United States to prosper. The power to tax incomes has allowed for the government to provide an exceedingly complex and expensive infrastructure for a modern economy, build and maintain educational institutions that keep America technologically innovative, maintain global stability through military might, and provide systems of justice. Without such predictable and significant revenue, those things would probably not be possible. And of course, without those things, the American economy, including your paycheck and entrepreneurial opportunities, would vanish.

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